Lawyer Up, Kids
In the Wizbang Blog, courtesy of Instapundit:
With yet another mass shooting in a “gun-free zone,” I find myself thinking a great deal about that concept.
The first idea is one that is bouncing around the blogosphere — the notion that the powers that be that designate such places ought to be held legally liable for the carnage that erupts in them. I’m no lawyer, but it seems to me that they are making a promise — possibly a legally binding one — that “you don’t need to defend yourself when you’re here, because we’ll protect you.” They are using their authority as property owner (or manager) to supplant your right to keep and bear arms.
Eh heh.
Now for my second thought. If these places aren’t going to get rid of their “gun-free zone” status, despite the overwhelming circumstantial evidence that they simply get more people killed, then how can they improve their security where it actually make the people inside safer?
I have a few ideas. And for the sake of simplicity, I’m going to apply them to a college.
First up, they need to absolutely control access to campus. They need to build hefty walls, with security features to keep people from going over, under, or through them. Then they need to put serious security measures on the few entrances through those walls. Metal detectors, hefty locks, repeated identity verification, and the like. No one gets in without going through multiple layers of screenings.
And that’s just for people. A college campus is not a self-sufficient community. All entering parcels — food, clothing, books. electronics, office supplies, everything also needs to go through rigid screening to be sure no weapons are sneaked on to campus.
And at each entrance, there need to be armed guards. Enough armed guards to defeat any attempt by attackers to simply force their way through the security measures.
And yet the beer will still get in. And where beer goes, anything can follow. So I like option 1. Of course, twice-daily room searches would be awfully entertaining.
I wonder what would happen if one of these hugely-endowed universities got shot up. Like Harvard, with a $35 billion endowment. Man, if the lawyers didn’t start setting the folding tables up outside the student union like the credit card companies do every September, I’d lose all respect for their sleaziness.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
How do those congressmen who support the NRA keep guns out of their rallies when they personally appear? That might be a better model - though snark aside, I’m convinced. Whatever you say about gun control, gun free zones with no enforcement don’t work.
February 18th, 2008 at 4:12 am
I have had the same thought for years. When someone in authority prevents you from having the means to defend yourself they should be liable for the damages incurred ie. wrongful death etc.
The lawsuits would bankrupt cities like Washington D.C and San Francisco.
But that hasn’t happened. That’s a fat award that no competent, or incompetent personal injury lawyer would pass up.
That’s why I suspect that there are Sovereign Immunity protections that keep cities, government agencies and schools from being sued. But I’m not sure about private property like Malls though.
February 18th, 2008 at 6:49 am
Perhaps, the time for “bricks and mortar” schools has passed entirely. Other than being a forum for social interacting and all the nonsense that allows, education is better done thru the internet.
February 18th, 2008 at 8:21 am
“And yet the beer will still get in.”
Absolutely. You have to keep in mind, these are college students that we are talking about. They are (supposed to be) smarter than average, and many are very good at thinking outside the box. I have seen complete ‘heads make bongs out of whatever was on hand. They would make MacGuyver proud.
If they want to get something onto campus. It will happen. (Trust me, a friend and I were the architects of a kegger on top of the Admin building in college…where there is a beer, there is a way.)
February 20th, 2008 at 11:41 am
NYC/Manhattan has been virtually a gun free zone since Rudy’s days and the shooting rate here has dropped dramatically (over 75%), starting with the mass murder count. There goes that thesis…